Rilian's Turtling 101

[Rilian]

Lately, turtling has become a very popular and powerful strat

Currently, i know that Vogon 6 (top 10) and Hercules (top 20) are turtling, and doing well.

So just how do they manage to do get so big when they literaly have 1k goons for an offence???

Basic turtling is REALLLLY simple:

1. Planet Type = F&W
2. Buildings =
~40% res,
~30% barracks (adjust as needed),
~15% power,
~15% probes (you can adjust these slightly, very basic)

3. Explore a lot - Don't be afraid to be landfat, you will have a high defence - Dont always explore max after the first week, start exploring only about 60% of max
4. Military - During newb mode, trian max soldiers at all times, with using extra $$$ for some scis and LTs

near end of newb mode, build MAX LTs possible, for a full day, 90% of your $$$ shuld be spend building them - you should have enough soldiers. - Traine about 1-2k troppers for inac hitting/suiciders

When out of newb mode, keep building about 80% LTs, and keep at 1-2k troopers. Build the rest as scis.

Research - put your starting scis on pop bonus, and over newb mode, max out Pop, mil and money bonus (you can do power if you wish) - then research in about this order:

Fusion Power
LDs
Goons
Energy Core
Fighters
versudien
longevity

then whatever is left (Scouter is not needed, as you dont attack - same as warp core)


As you're playing you shuold always try to have your military and probe sheilds max - probe shields are more important, as people could have fun kidnapping you.




Some of the more advanced players, once they reach 400-500k pop, and they have a suitable LD defence (you shuold have more than enough to force people to either bash or suicided to break you) - they will start mass producing goons - (about 30k a day, while still training a few LDs). Doing this, they can soon start making large attacks, increasing honor, and still being unbreakable.



THis is the basic outline, many people change as they go.

YOu can post your own comments if you like

[shelovestherain]

Personally, I think you've only outlined one form of turtling. Frankly, much of what we do these days could be considered turtling. Personally, my turtling of choice is by way of tanks: it requires a much lower population to achieve the same results, especially if you use Mobilization.

At one point this game, I had 6300 land and a 90K tank defense.

Do I send out my tanks? On occasion, but I always carefully weight the consequences of who I attack, and make sure that I'm hitting the best target possible. In addition, (most of the time) I make sure that I'm exploring at least 120 land a day, to maintain constant growth. This strategy seems to be working well...I'll probably post it sometime next game, so that I can make sure I've got all the bugs worked out, first.

Wouldn't want some hapless newb to step out and try to use this, and find it flawed and difficult to use if you don't have the same mentality I have.

[Rilian]

the turtling i lined out is the most coomon form, and the most commonly used form of it.

Vogon 6 and Hercules are right now using the strat i just posted - Vogon is top 10, hercules(caspian), top 20

[Victus]

It should be mentioned that neither of them would be there unless that war didn't happen. The one that killed most of the top players. They would be on top 100 but probably not as high as they are.

This is the type of turtling I've seen the most of though.

[Grubnessul]

it's also the easiest way to turtle

[Underhill]

No starmine at all??? is it because of the 40% res?

[Rilian]

yes, hercules has an income of 1.5mill+ from pop alone

and about the war, hercules was 25 before war, vogon was 10, so, not much of a jump

[Underhill]

That is interesting... and all these time i really thought starmine really helps making a lot of money. *time to change strategy*

[DragonsHaven]

Underhill, Starmines make more ONLY if your not F&W. With F&W and Pop research maxed, you make more money per residence than you would per starmine. Any other type and starmines make more.

[Underhill]

Ahhhhh chet... i see.. i learned something new everyday!!! This is my first time using F&W... yay!! finally.. can make more money!!

[Rilian]

high pop not only gives high money, but it also allows far more soldiers to be trained, allowing for a large military to be built fast

[Underhill]

Yeah I have a pretty high pops now.. it's good.. I just need to explore everyday to satisfy my need of land. I can still attack and i have almost 21 LD per land, but still want to build more defense just to protect my land.

[Rilian]

yes, you do need to explore land a lot, but once again, both Vogon and Herca re both doing that, you don't need to explore MAX land, but maybe a multiple of 24 close to 1/2-2/3 of your max, that way you will be able to keep a good defence

[FadeToBlack]

Powerless Mountainous after achieving a population of about 500k is probably the best and most efficent way of turtling. (assuming you're a top 10 player) You will need to build a slightly bigger defense, however in terms of income your income is much bigger.

Also turtling with FW means you have to keep at least 2/4 researches to keep your income high - pop and money. This can be difficult, if you use Mountainous you only need to keep money bonus up. Also, Population takes up a large amount of power so this can be difficult to maintain as FW.

I would also suggest that if you play to turtle, you don't start actually turtling until about 2k land. Play offensively until then, otherwise if your goal is to achieve top 10, you will be behind the other players by quite a bit.

Also if you plan on turtling, I would suggest that you have lots of naps. The more naps you have the better, because that means your defense can be smaller. Don't worry about being landfat and if you explore like a bad out of hell, then I would suggest you drop every research but Money and Military. (If you're big enough you can drop military) Don't worry about building ratios, it all depends on how much you need to keep yourself safe for other players.

[Rilian]

that's true, however, something that is done by Vogon 6 right now is a slight variation:

Vogon is turtling as a terra KD, in order to get his research done fast (longetivity ) and he still has a very high pop, but he increases his income with about 2k Starmines, since he isn't F&W, this allows his incomet o be nearly 4 mill, while still having a pop over 900k